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Post by shellyb on Mar 20, 2009 21:29:03 GMT -6
What is your opinion on Ouija Boards? Is it a doorway to hell or another form of communicating with the spirits?
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Post by Angela L. on Mar 21, 2009 13:03:21 GMT -6
I personally do not believe it is a doorway to hell, I do however, believe that using a board is not that different from using an audio recorder or any other communication device. I don't think you should use one alone and I do think that anything ,whether a good spirit or a an evil spirit, is capable of coming through on the board. This is a controversial subject for most and although I wouldn't recommend you run out and buy one , I would not be afraid to try it with the right persons in company. But that is just my current opinion ( note my opinions are always subject to change ) LOL
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Post by shellyb on Mar 21, 2009 14:26:14 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with what you said. I mean what did people use before we had all this fancy equipment to communicate with the other side? They used boards. I would not take one into a clients home or anything like that. I have heard people say that the boards are bad and can bring bad things through. I don't believe it is the board cause it is a piece of wood and you can make a board out of anything. A piece of paper and shot glass. I think it is the person using the board and the frame of mind they are in. If I can bring a spirit through a board I can bring one through using digital audio. Cause we are asking the same questions just using a different device. That is my opinion. But as I said before I do not use them on investigations or take them into clients homes.
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Post by Angela L. on Mar 22, 2009 12:04:49 GMT -6
Agreed ,I would not use one in anyones home on an investigation. Besides that ... you cant play back a board message like you can audio LOL.
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Post by grimmettsdrs on Mar 27, 2009 22:45:40 GMT -6
Most people consider the Ouija board to be a harmless parlor game made up of a board with various letters, numbers and symbols, etc. together with a piece of plastic, called a planchette, manufactured by Parker Bros. for use at parties and the like. They are correct. Some individuals (for example, psychic medium James Van Pragh) claim to have regularly used the Ouija board with no ill effects.
It is true that the board possesses no power of it’s own, imparted by the toy manufacturer. However, there is a real danger in using the Ouija board to communicate with spirits (or any similar divination device). The individual using this tool is opening up his or her free will, leaving them vulnerable to an invading spirit presence. I personally do not recommend the use of a Ouija board, simply because there is a risk of opening doors to inhuman entities.
In using this device, someone may successfully contact what, at first, will appear to be a ‘benevolent’ spirit, only to have this spirit turn on them once they have gained a foothold.
Demonic spirits will often pose as spirits of the departed, when in fact they have never actually walked the earth inhuman form. Demons can be very adept at masquerading as relatives or friends who have passed on. One ploy used is to reveal hidden knowledge, which was supposedly known only to the deceased. This information will often eventually prove to be correct and verifiable. However, once a firm attachment has taken place, the demonic will attempt to confuse by cleverly mixing lies with truth.
There are those who will become emotionally dependent upon these ‘spirit friends’ and an inhuman presence will have no reservations about using a person's loneliness or emotional vulnerability to gain a stronger foothold. By the time the hostile entity has revealed it's true colors, the person who has unwittingly been communicating with this diabolical spirit will often find that they are much harder to get rid of than they were to bring in.
A request for a spirit to manifest itself (appear) to someone through the use of the Ouija board is an open invitation for an inhuman spirit to infiltrate that person's life. Although I don't recommend it, if one does use the board- closure should always be done at the end of each session, similar to saying good bye at the end of a telephone conversation.
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Post by shellyb on Mar 27, 2009 23:34:32 GMT -6
I really like your response. Now my question is and to be truthfull no one has been able to answer for me. Would a digital audio recorder be considered an electronic ouija board since I am basically doing the same thing except I dont hear the response until I play it back?
I do agree that a persons emotional state would make them vulnerable to inhuman spirits. And no matter what kind of "spirit communication" you use always be carefull and use proper closure as you said.
Keep posting I like your post!
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Post by grimmettsdrs on Mar 28, 2009 17:40:54 GMT -6
It is true that the board possesses no power of it’s own, imparted by the toy manufacturer. However, there is a real danger in using the Ouija board to communicate with spirits (or any similar divination device). So saying this you could consider a voice recorder a similar divination,correct?Watch this video and tell me if it answers your question?And i will add more later on when i have more time to why a oujia board would be more dangerous than a voice recorder .
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Post by grimmettsdrs on Mar 28, 2009 17:48:49 GMT -6
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Post by Angela L. on Mar 28, 2009 21:29:54 GMT -6
yes Im sorry since we are still on free board we dont have that luxury yet...mostly due to bandwidth limits but when the site gets bigger we will be upgrading and adding that feature..for now you can only post the links......I agree that with a board you open yourself up to the possibility of meeting a not so nice spirit or demon...I also think that you do that when you go on an investigation as well...that is always a possibility when dealing with anything paranormal ghost/spirit/demon related which is why it is important in my opinion that a person be grounded in his spirit and his emotions and educates him/herself on the subjects of entities that you might encounter...to just run out and do a "ghost" hunt may sound like real fun...but in my opinion, it can be dangerous and you can put yourself in harms way if you go in blind . Thats why education on the paranormal as well as spiritual stability and protection is important... I personally don't think a demon can posses a person unless that person has made an open invitation or opened the door to let them in...I do believe that demons or vengeful spirits can oppress a person without actually possessing them...
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Post by grimmettsdrs on Mar 29, 2009 11:49:45 GMT -6
According to the bible it is an abomination to attempt communication with the dead and both oujia boards and voice recorders could fall into this,BUT. In most oujia board cases a person is attempting communication out of pure curiosity in order to contact a passed loved one,friend or by just the ammusment of conjuring up a spirit. Remember nothing can happen without God permitting it to happen ,this even pertains to demons.After you have contacted a spirit via oujia board all you have to go by is what it is telling you thru the board,you are not able to use any of your 5 sences to really determine what you are dealing with and this is what makes it dangerous. Also as i said earlier it is a abomination to attempt communication with the dead and nothing can happen without God permitting it,so in saying this if you are not living by God's laws and are attempting communication with the dead that you think is grandma or aunt sally and you conjure up an evil spirit,God is likely to permit the spirit to take you into its stronghold for not abiding by his law.The book of Job is a excellent example of this and would be a recomended read to ones that has never read it. Now could this same rule pertain to someone trying to communicate with the dead via voice recorder?..ABSOLUTELY..unless...you have had a true calling to this field and you let it come to you and you dont go to it.If God has called you to battle as he has called clergy to the ministry you are provided with a natural protection.Thats why you see ghost hunting groups fold on a daily basis.There is a difference in someone coming to you and saying i need help and you use the voice recorder in order to help this person in order to cllect evidence you need to determine what you are dealing with. And this goes back to the 5 sences,when using the voice recorder you are able to you your sence of hearing as Mary Vogel did in the video and she immediately knew she was dealing with someone inhuman and even tho the demon was permitted to wreak havoc on her life for a short while but because she knew immediately what she was dealing with she knew what she had to do to get rid of it versus using the oujia board where your not able to your sences which makes it harder to determine what you are dealing with and in most cases once you do determine it,its to late.
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Post by grimmettsdrs on Mar 29, 2009 12:02:22 GMT -6
And i wanted to add that using a oujia board on a cases would be absolutely insane.I recentlt watched part of a episode of paranormal state when Ryan Buell authorized the use of a oujia board and i got so sick i had to turn the tv off. You are there to HELP the client not make things worst!!! So im glad yall decline the use of oujia boards on cases
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Post by Angela L. on Mar 29, 2009 13:48:34 GMT -6
I personally have watched 3 episodes of that show and every time I disagreed with their methods and so I dont watch it anymore. I agree with you about using seance and boards on investigations, I think you would be making things worse for a client and for yourself by using a board on an investigation.....When I use a voice recorder I am not using it to summon anything, I use it to hear if anything trys to communicate with me. I will ask if anyone is there or if they have anything to say...but I dont think it is the same as using it to purposely conjure up long lost relatives and deceased individuals. I dont feel like it is conjuring to use a voice recorder if your useing it properly, as with seance' and boards which are used mainly to conjure specific spirits on purpose..there is a fine line but the Bible also says to test the spirits to see if they are of God..how else will you test a spirit if you don't communicate in some way? Not everyone has the sensitivity to know if a spirit is good or evil. As you said spirits with evil intentions are liars and decievers...Thats why I believe if you clothe yourself with the Full Armour of God you will be protected form the fiery darts of the wicked. It is all ultimately up to Him anyway, what happens. Thanks for your input on this subject, I respect your opinions
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Post by tigerblane on May 6, 2009 19:51:04 GMT -6
I'll admit that I did not read all the responses to this question, but this is my opinion:
Ouija boards are nothing similar to digital voice recorders. Ouija boards are "real time" interactive instruments whereas digital recorders are "after the fact" evidence gathering tools. Real time means immediate responses (positive or negative). I do believe that these boards provide a sinister "opening" to the evil side that I can't explain. My advice from years of experience = STAY AWAY FROM OUIJA BOARDS!!!!!
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Post by shellyb on May 7, 2009 6:01:34 GMT -6
Well actually digital audio is kinda real time. Because it is happening in real time we just can't hear it at the time until we play back.. I ask this question...what if you were to play back on an investigation and you got a response to what you asked, would that not be real time. I mean the EVP doesn't get on the audio later on. The spirit is replying while we are on a site. Am I making sense? The ouija board has gotton a bad rap from TV and things like that and people's overactive imagination. I still stand by what I said. I would never take it into a clients home just because of the stigmatism and would not use one a case not knowing the frame of mind people may be in. Also a response to Grimmets where the bible says it is a abomination to communicate with the spirits. I got a question and I have always wondered since I have heard the same thing growing up. If that is the case then why do I pray to Jesus? He is was once alive and is dead now in the physical sense so should I not talk to Jesus anymore? When Jesus came back from the dead and spoke with his diciples were they not communicating with the dead? I am not trying to offend anyone. I have just wondered about all that for a long time.
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Post by Angela L. on May 7, 2009 15:08:21 GMT -6
My personal opinion about what the Bible says is that they went to a witch for the specific purpose of cunjuring up a specific person, similar to the seance....But I dont believe that the use of digital recorders is the same thing, you are recording your enviroment and if something is there that has something to say it is recorded... Like I said in an earlier post, I believe that recording with a digital is completely different than sitting down at a table with a medium or whatever and specifically asking a certain spirit to show itself....The Bible can be interpreted many different ways by different people, I get annoyed sometimes when people throw portions of the Bible out there without telling the whole story...but thats another post..I have wondered similar questions as Shelly's in that Jesus did appear after the resurrection as a spirit to Mary and his disciples, if it is such an abomination to talk to spirits, why would he do that?
.My current opinion of it is If you have doubts, dont do it! I dont think Oijia boards have a place in client homes and should not be played with just to see if you can conjure up uncle ed...I also dont think using digital recorders is the same thing and Im not giving mine up...I guess that it will be left up to God whether that is abominable or not, but until then....Im recording.
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